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Hey I knew that topic would draw your attention.

Look I've been talking to superchips and hypertech for a while now. I finally got superchips to agree to take an interest in making a tuner for us but it takes some work on our part. I need responses from all of you no matter if you are interested or not.

From what I was told the only way they will make a tuner for us if if they can see in black and white a large enough market worth developing into. When they see the ECOTEC market this is what they had in mind:

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The small car market on the other hand is made up of a lot of two groups of people. Regular family people who have kids and do not have a lot of money to purchase the car or truck that they really would like to have. The other group is the younger generation, as I will call them. They to do not have the money to purchase the car they would really like to have but purchase the smaller car because that is what they can afford, no disrespect here, just how I see things. The family owners most probably will not be chip purchasers as they have a limited budget to begin with and so they drive what they drive and that is it. The younger generation on the other hand, works on the car, finds ways to get the money to work on and make the cars faster and better. The point is, this is only a part of the total market for the smaller cars.

So if we want to prove them wrong and get a tuner available for us then we need to answer these questions for them:

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If you can do some research on the small car market, again numbers how many, age group, how much is typically spent on the car by who, what they spent the money on ect. that would be a good start.

So please wether you own a J or not give your response. I will compile all the statistics and get a project plan together for this opportunity. If you want to see a programmer out there for the ECOTEC, SRT-4, SVT Focus or any other car please give me your answers to the questions above. This is important to our future as small car tuners and could really help with many of our other modifications. Thanks for your time and I hope to hear from many of you.

no offense sounds kinda stupid. like saying well a C6 owner really didnt have the money to get the mclaren f1. i dont think this guy knows about all the pocket rockets around <br>

2004 Grand Am
Dynomax Exhaust
Custom Intake

www.geocities.com/irocit_2000

id get one, and dammit im only 18!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! younger generations drive and tune to!

I'm 24 I spent all of my own money about 3/4 performance 1/4 show and I have totaled in all with the messup I've done I have little under 10K into it. Some stuff I have sold and bought other stuff. I don't know where it all went but I have recipts for almost everything. It includes shipping charges paint and some install charges most of the work was done by my boyz and me. It adds up quick.


Quote: no ofence man but if you have so much experience in all that why does your car look like crap?

they make pcms for stupid civics and integras....etc
if he is samrt he will supply they american tiny muscle with the same tuning modules...if he is truly has the "american spirit".....so point blank make a ecotec tuner module because that "small market" he talks of is actually quite large in respect to these truck, corvette,aka v-8 market... or he just would be seriously making an excuse to overlook a huge market strategy....and later kick his own a$$......for not taking this valuable venture

thanks for letting me post
hopefully they get the point! <br>

set the example, never let the example set you.

If you look at the "market" its going to domestics now. Soon you will see it going back to hot rods and sport trucks. Its all a cycle.


Quote: no ofence man but if you have so much experience in all that why does your car look like crap?

I'm 26 and I haven't done anything to my car yet! but I'm planning on getting a turbo kit, magnaflow exhaust, intercooler, preformance injectors, nitrous, lowering it, body kit, wing, and puting 17 inch rims on it.

Age: 27
Car: Pontiac Sunfire 03 5-speed
Mods
Performance: 1000.00
Interior: 600.00
Exterior: 1000.00

It will get their foot in the door the for Solstice, Sky, and hopefully Nomad... These will all be very popular considering the pricing, performance, and the fact they will be rwd, w/lsd,, so... c'mon chip companies... get with the program.. The eco is very under-ratrated, hook us up.



Age: 26
Performance mods : $800
Audio: $200

'03 ion qc

performance: ~15,000
interior: ~1,000
exterior: ~1,000

would def. get a powertuner if one became available

'03 Cavalier sedan

performance: ~$2000
interior: ~$400
exterior: ~$500

make the damn tuner already!!! There are enough people around with a ECO motor that are just dying to crank up the power. PLEASE!!!

Sorry, was that a little over the top? <br>


I may not know much about cars, but I know two things......
1) Breaking things is expensive.
2) Horsepower isn't cheap.

04 grand am ecotec
age 24
performance $1300
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2004 Grand Am
Dynomax Exhaust
Custom Intake

www.geocities.com/irocit_2000

I would definatly get one and probably pay up to $500 as long as it actually changed things rather than just trying to trick sensors, and if it got rid of the speed limiter.

Age 21
Car: 04 Sunfire
Mods so fa: Performance: $1000 Sound: $500 Appearance: $500

lol thats my old sig i didnt pay 1300 for a exhaust and intake <br>

2004 Grand Am
Dynomax Exhaust
Custom Intake

www.geocities.com/irocit_2000

I don't see why only imports and v8's are entitled to power. I have spent over$1200 on the apearance of my Cavalier. Now it's time to work on the performace of the vehicle but I'm limited to engine work because of the lack of performance parts for my car. MAKE THE DAMN PART ALREADY !!!!!!!! Besides it sucks when the governor kicks in after getting ahead of a Mustang at the tracks.

i already posted in j-body i dont want to post again...

Well All I have to say is this answers alot of questions for me. I've been looking for a chip and I guess untill someone makes one I can't do nothing but wait. I have an '02 eco nice car but 108mph.... come on my friend with a stok RSX can kick my butt. We need some power and horse power. Lets stop messin and get us sum!!!

I called Superchips today, after being on hold for a good while, the tech guy flat out told me no on a Ecotec Superchip. He said MAYBE in the summer after they finish working on truck programs.

In my experience with chip tuning, the only chips really worth while are those made by a company specifically devoted to tuning that specific line of cars. Being centered on one type of car, they usually know it very well and can therefore produce a better product. In contrast, a company like Superchips only cares about making a buck and not about Ecotec performance. Also, being that the fuel tables are encrypted, they probably don't feel much like spending their time and money to figure it out as the return wouldn't be worthwhile. It's all basic economics.

My suggestion: a few Ecotec people should get together, find themselves a computer engineer and dyno and hack away at the ECU to develop a performance chip. This chip could then be copied and sold, and there you go you have a business.

Otherwise, look into and after market EMS. They're expensive, but its the best way around the problem. Someone may want to give Megasquirt a try, its a great product, its cheap, and you do it all yourself so it extremely flexible.


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david ubinger wrote:'03 ion qc

performance: ~15,000
interior: ~1,000
exterior: ~1,000

would def. get a powertuner if one became available

15 grand in performance?? And no stand alone?
What exactly do you have done david?

very intrested im also working with some people to just flash or reprogram the computers for what ever application you want

http://www.obdproject.com/ check it out, forget HP Tuners, taking too long.

Hell yeah make one for my ION so i can wast all you j-bodies even more

04 Ion QC 5-speed

red line is fugly i think

Official STC Drunk Hot Tub Guy #1

Me: they throw cf on everything next thing you know there guna have ricer condoms specaily made out of carbon fiber
Jayson: they should make carbon fiber dildos for the really fast bitches
[quote="Schizzo97SC2"]I knew some guy that told me you can make a saturn fast, what a retard.
i hate emo i wish it would die maybe i could help them orginaize a mass suicide

I want one!
Performance: ~ $800


2004 Cavalier
13.2@105........
Mods...
BFG Drag Radials
Saab Turbo kit
2.5 exhaust, w/cutout
Spec Stage 2+ Clutch

i got a 2002 grand am and im itching for a great chip