spoiler wrote:Because parents who put their kids on a private school usually care more about their children than those who choose a public school.Or, the kid has been kicked out of all the public schools? (I knew a lot of those guys growing up playing hockey lol).
spoiler wrote:Not everyone can afford a private school and pay for college at the same time.Assume tax rebates for private schooling (as proposed by most candidates during election season).
OHV notec wrote:spoiler wrote:Because parents who put their kids on a private school usually care more about their children than those who choose a public school.Or, the kid has been kicked out of all the public schools? (I knew a lot of those guys growing up playing hockey lol).
spoiler wrote:Obviously not ALL, but those they had previously attended. They were the 'trouble-makers'. They also had the intelligence of 5 year olds, so they probably brought standardized test scores down as wellOHV notec wrote:why did they get kicked out of all public schools?spoiler wrote:Because parents who put their kids on a private school usually care more about their children than those who choose a public school.Or, the kid has been kicked out of all the public schools? (I knew a lot of those guys growing up playing hockey lol).
ScottaWhite wrote:Why are these people being taxed for a product that is inferior, or that they never have used, or never will use. Its not the same thing as fire dept, or police services. You "use" them by them being on standby in case they are ever needed. (just like car insurance ok?)Those children have been educated and are now your doctors, firemen (most have college degrees), and lawyers (this might be a bad example lol). I don't know about you, but I'd prefer people in those positions to be educated and competent in their professions. What would happen to the cost of health care if there were even fewer doctors? The University of Arizona has a great medical school, and it's a public school. I'm going to try and find figures, but I'd guess almost half the doctors in this state were trained there.
J03Y wrote:Having been to both, I would take private school anyday over public. My kids will also attend private school someday.Can you be more specific? What stands out in your mind?
OHV notec wrote:J03Y wrote:Having been to both, I would take private school anyday over public. My kids will also attend private school someday.Can you be more specific? What stands out in your mind?
Cavalier2000 wrote:rule of thumb around here is if you come from a public school into a private school then they hold you back a grade because you are that far behindDoes this actually happen regularly, or is it just a saying meant to demean the public schools? Like I said, many of the private school students I knew weren't very bright. Are these kids being sent to private school because they were flunking out of public?
J03Y wrote:For one, just the overall quality of teachers. Their dedication to the student and to a politically/culturally diverse curriculum.This brings up something else I wanted to tough on. How are public schools so vulnerable to legal action, but public schools are not? My mom works at what is quite possibly the worst high school in the state, and I know their district will settle any claim less than $30k out of court, no questions asked. Private schools don't have this problem why? Is it just that they are more willing to take the matter to court? Or is there something somewhere in a contract that prevents the ridiculous lawsuits?
Another would be just the basic teaching of manners and respect. You are(or we were) held to a higher standard than a public school on many levels, including grades, study habits, self accountability, responsibility, sportsmanship, personal appearance, etc.
OHV notec wrote:Cavalier2000 wrote:rule of thumb around here is if you come from a public school into a private school then they hold you back a grade because you are that far behindDoes this actually happen regularly, or is it just a saying meant to demean the public schools? Like I said, many of the private school students I knew weren't very bright. Are these kids being sent to private school because they were flunking out of public?
OHV notec wrote:This brings up something else I wanted to tough on. How are public schools so vulnerable to legal action, but public schools are not? My mom works at what is quite possibly the worst high school in the state, and I know their district will settle any claim less than $30k out of court, no questions asked. Private schools don't have this problem why? Is it just that they are more willing to take the matter to court? Or is there something somewhere in a contract that prevents the ridiculous lawsuits?
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Do private schools still employ physical means for disciplinary measures?
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Are public schools so far past saving? Could we not simply offer a little more for better teachers, better legal defense, and go back to expelling students who refuse to properly participate? If we simply let students drop out when they wanted, it would keep costs down by reducing staff requirements, and also likely minimize disciplinary actions required? Would graduate quality not increase if we went back to flunking kids who don't pay attention and don't do the work?
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Actually, reading back through that, it seems poor parenting is more at fault than the school system.
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How much does the average person pay in taxes to support the public school system in your state?
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If education remained mandatory (until 16, or 18, depending on your state I guess), and the public system was eliminated, how would the private system remain immune to the problems which currently impair the public system?
Quiklilcav wrote:Also, as mentioned above, the biggest problem with public schools is the teachers unions, where there is too much being done to protect the lazy, useless teachers. If the unions really want to do something good, they will reform themselves and start holding the teachers accountable for their performance and quality of education. The other thing about the public schools is that the majority of the teachers out there are teaching liberal rhetoric, and engraining our youth with that mindset.But, HOW do we fix the problems?
The public school system is in need of a complete overhaul. They've continued to throw more and more money at the problem, but pumping money into a failing system isn't going to fix it. Fixing the problems is the only way it's going to get fixed.
OHV notec wrote:But, HOW do we fix the problems?
OHV notec wrote:Also, if public schools continue to decline, and private schools become more popular, what keeps them from also declining?
OHV notec wrote:Teachers are a limited resource. So, can you afford to get rid of the "bad eggs" at the cost of enormous class sizes?
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When a public school sucks, and people pull their kids out to send them to private school, the public school still gets the same funding as it did before. When a private school loses enrollment, they also lose the money from those enrollments.
Quiklilcav wrote:OHV notec wrote:But, HOW do we fix the problems?
As I already explained, by being able to hold the teachers accountable for the quality of the education they provide. This means the unions need to be reformed, or done away with. There is way too much protection for the bad teachers.
Quiklilcav wrote:Aren't public schools funded based on enrollment numbers? I doubt we'd give a school the same amount of money for teaching 10 students as 1000...?OHV notec wrote:Also, if public schools continue to decline, and private schools become more popular, what keeps them from also declining?
Competition. When a public school sucks, and people pull their kids out to send them to private school, the public school still gets the same funding as it did before. When a private school loses enrollment, they also lose the money from those enrollments. If they increase the cost, they will only drive out more students. The only way to survive is to improve.
Quiklilcav wrote:What percentage of teachers would you consider sub-standard? A teacher, no matter how excellent, can't run a grade school class of 60 students.OHV notec wrote:Teachers are a limited resource. So, can you afford to get rid of the "bad eggs" at the cost of enormous class sizes?
Absolutely. Saying that we need to keep bad teachers because we can't afford to lose them is foolish. Our kids would be better off in larger classes with quality teachers who can do their job than to continue to let sh!tty teachers not do their job.
Sunb1rd(missed teh org) wrote:for some reason ALL of my friends who went to a private school (catholic or not) were introduced into drugs and/or violence alot earlier than i was(i went public).. im so against private schools just because of the fact of conformity... it doesn't even work... the fat kids are still fat the popular kids are still popular.. there is no conformity at all... yeah peoplr in public schhols all wear AE or Aero or Hollister// How that different than a uniform... Everyone is still differnet...
