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First of all, this has nothing to do with a cavalier. This is simply a question concerning the Ecotec for application to a mid 30's street rod.
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Does anyone have any information regarding the use of an Ecotec in a RWD set up? Does any manufacturer make a RWD bellhousing adapter? I know that Mantapart sells a RWD bellhousing for mating pretty much any transmission to the Quad 4. Do they have one for the Ecotec too? How do the RWD eco drag guys mate their transmissions to the block? I'm thinking that either someone makes custom bellhousings or they simply make the appropriate adapter plate and use the bellhousing that comes with the transmission. The transmission I have in mind is the T56 6 speed out of the corvettes/camaros/cobras. Thanks for the help!!
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Your out of luck, the drag cars you speak of are front wheel drive. The NHRA drag Cavaliers are v8. Even the Saturn Vue is FR and its an SUV.
You'd be looking at a custom set up.
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Your out of luck, the drag cars you speak of are front wheel drive. The NHRA drag Cavaliers are v8. Even the Saturn Vue is FR and its an SUV.
You'd be looking at a custom set up.
-J-
jacob , you couldnt be more wrong with what you sad !!!!!!!!!!!!
there are several drag cars powered by eco power that are rear drive
I am aware of a few Ecotec powered drag cars that are in fact rear wheel drive. However, I have done an extensive search, and it seems that I will have to do the whole thing custom. I did find that several Opel cars use the 2.2L ecotec with a RWD setup, and they use a Getrag 5 speed. However, getting one of these transmissions will be nearly impossible, since they are not sold in the US.
I also noticed that the new Pontiac Solstice uses a 2.2L Ecotec with a Borg-Warner T56 6 speed out of the corvette. These T56's are also availabe in F-bodies and Mustang Cobras. Now, if GM found a way to mate the T56 to the Ecotec, then surely a machine shop could make me an adapter plate, right? Man, I wish someone knew more about the Solstice!
Thanks for the help, guys.
yeah so do i !!! cause i think id have 1
and give it time and more parts will be out for the eco , to do just about everthing we want or need
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Eric Remboldt wrote:
Really, I'm misinformed then, can you set me straight? Thanks.
Well looking at the list to your left it seems that this site has the potential to attract foreign enthusiasts, its all a matter of getting a hold of one of them. But it would cost way to much green to order, ship, and then run the risk of it not workingout for you. <br>
Your out of luck, the drag cars you speak of are front wheel drive. The NHRA drag Cavaliers are v8. Even the Saturn Vue is FR and its an SUV.
You'd be looking at a custom set up.
-J-
jacob , summit has compained 2 cavaliers in 2002 , with 1 running 6.96 @ close to 200 mph john lingenflter drove it tell he had a violent crash at pomona in the finals last year , his team mate drove a similar cavalier in the mid to low 7's
now summit has 1 cav with matt hartford driving it , and has run low 7's on a regular basis
all done with eco tec power and rear drive
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Solstice... and opel speedster anyone? eh? <br>
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If I had a dime for every time I saw Echotec, errr, Ecotec spelled wrong, I'd be rich!
Ah your right they are, uh were RHD. Also, I dont think they used a bellhousing adapter for those two; rather, modified the actual bellhousing.
Ace, these cars are brand new and only available in over-seas. I could list some names of importers but you'd have to front mad cash for what your looking for. And a custom job will be cheaper but still expensive. <br>
Your out of luck, the drag cars you speak of are front wheel drive. The NHRA drag Cavaliers are v8. Even the Saturn Vue is FR and its an SUV.
You'd be looking at a custom set up.
-J-
Hey Jacob your posts are coming up in your sig bro, is it a glitch or are you doing it somehow? Anyways just thinking about why you would want to make an eco rwd they have mad Torque as are............just wondering, lata
Travis Drayna wrote:I am aware of a few Ecotec powered drag cars that are in fact rear wheel drive. However, I have done an extensive search, and it seems that I will have to do the whole thing custom. I did find that several Opel cars use the 2.2L ecotec with a RWD setup, and they use a Getrag 5 speed. However, getting one of these transmissions will be nearly impossible, since they are not sold in the US.
Actually, the getrag 5 speed is a transaxle, and is the same 5 speed that is used in the new cavaliers. Those european cars that use the getrag and are RWD (such as the vx220) are not only RWD, but also rear or mid engine. As far as the pontiac solstice is concerned, I don't know, but it may be that it has a different block that allows it to bolt to that transmission, the way honda's s2000 and crv have different blocks than thier closest fwd equivalent.
Travis,
Contact lingentfelter (sp) they might actually have the stuff left over from Johns car.
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this is from inliners international.com buliten board, the topic is bench racing, and the post is are datsun Z cars welcome
Enjoyed the discussion on the b-board about the jap-inliners. My latest project will make it to a convention if we're back to Denver in a couple of years but it may raise some eyebrows. I'm building this
little hot-rod fenderless 35 Ford pick-up. Chopped top, stretched body, short bed, long hood but with fairly traditional running gear (old !) Its got a dropped axle @ the front with drum brakes, leaf spring, drilled axle & wishbones. The rear is a 36 ford housing, modified for ford 9" pickup axles and open
drive line. Wheels are 35 ford 16"-big tires on the back, little ones on the front. The frame is sorta 32 ford, tig welded from laser cut flat plates, every thing is powder coated (A guy who runs a powder coat shop saw the project and wanted to "sponsor" me).
Its got a S10 5-speed with v-6 bell housing hooked up to a Olds Quad-4. the quad looks sorta like an Offie once you get all the junk of of it( and turn it North-South-the way God intended engines to run). I'm also using the stock fuel inj. and am designing indvidual butterflies and stacks for it.
I get tired of the same old thing in the street rod world, so my concept was something on a traditional theme, different body style, reasonable performance (180 hp stock) and hi MPG (my kids live on the west coast). I really find the Model B FORD bangers interesting but I needed a motor
that I could replace for $500 or less.
So far I've got the complete rolling chassis-the body should come together this year. So far the only photos I've got are of the frame in the jig. (if any one is interested in CAD design-laser cut stuff, I will share the info).
This may be something of interest to post on the site later.
OK, back to my comments-is it an Inliner? Not in the traditional sense, but at least I've got em ALL_IN_A_ROW!
I wanted to respond on the b-board but its too frustrating for me to work the deal-I'm cyber-illiterate.
If any of this rambling may be of interest to others, feel free to pass it on.
Its got a S10 5-speed with v-6 bell housing hooked up to a Olds Quad-4. the quad looks sorta like an Offie once you get all the junk of of it( and turn it North-South-the way God intended engines to run). I'm also using the stock fuel inj. and am designing indvidual butterflies and stacks for it.
I am interested in building a model T based Ford lakes modified roadster with an ecotec engine mounted fore and aft. Mantapart, as noted, makes a bellhousing for this that sells for $450 today.
I am interested in finding out if GM made any bellhousing that would work. This is what I have found.
There are two Chevrolet bellhousing bolt patterns. The popular Chev small block has the 90 degree pattern. The 4.6 v6 uses the same housing.
However prior to about 1988 chevrolet used a seperate bellhousing on S10, Blazer, Sonoma etc. If you take a housing from one of these vehicles with either the 4 cyl motor or the 2.8 V6 you will have the 60 degree pattern which all the fwd cars use. So I assume this would fit an Ecotec. I have not researched starter issues yet. May be some problem but don't think so.
The T5 was the commonly used trans in the S10 and so it fits this housing. Plus Muncie, Saginaw and Borg Warner all use the same bolt pattern. Think you have to use the clutch disc that goes with the trans as there may be spline differences.
I would like any info on this topic from anyone who has any first hand knowledge of same.
Summit built 2 2002 Cavaliers to drag race which were rear wheel drive. They used the Ecotec engine. GM Performance has built 2005 Cobalts powered with the Ecotec to compete in NHRA events. They are front wheel drive. GM has built this engine to levels of 1400 horsepower. Drag times have gotten down to 7.22 or so at 190 mph give or take. GM Performance sells a book on the building of the Ecotec engines, in stages to the various power levels. In its best form it can develop over 8 horsepower per cubic inch. That is fantastic in anyones book.
It seems like the potential is almost unlimited.
I am going to work up to around 400 hp for street driving by building it up a little at a time with some trial and error. The Ecotec can stand some incredible stresses if built right. The original factory head and block are safe to around 600 hp according to GM.
All we hear about is the Jap engines, and what kids are doing with these engines is outstanding. But right in our dooryard we have an engine with the potential to outdo them all. Lets work with it!
